Why the fuck are you censoring Nazi. You can say fucking Nazi online. You can say fuck if you want to.

Why the FUCK are you bowing to the corpo overlords.

Federation is just the current gimmick fad of the foss world.

Everyone has a massive boner for it in everything even when it makes no fucking sense or only harms a project.

Is it cool? Yeah. Is it actually important? Not at fucking all. It’s at best a secondary feature that’s nice to have if it doesn’t harm the project.

Getting an actual product that’s safe, secure and most importantly functional. Is infinity more important then federation.

End to end encryption is kinda the same problem. Not EVERYTHING needs that level of security. You don’t and shouldn’t be talking about things that require that level of secure in apps that aren’t designed first and foremost for that level of safety.

And you can’t expect everything to be secure and user friendly. They go against each other frequently.

Again a nice thing to have, but functional usability comes first.

To be fair, it’s also inconvenient convoluted and confusing to non-technical users… So yeah it works and some people can use it and others need their handheld quite a bit to even get halfway.

The same problem matrix as. If you’re trying to talk about a discord alternative, you need to aim for the demographic. That is the bottom 50% of the bell curve. If your explanation needs to be longer than two to four sentences on how to use something, then it’s already too complicated and will never take off for the use case.

If you’re looking for a usable open standard that is reliable, xmpp is incredibly good. It’s just not a discord replacement. It’s a discord alternative sure. And a good one at that.

But again till the user experience problem can be solved. Like with most open source things they will never be average user friendly.

That might be the stupidest fucking statement ever.

Your basically asking if unicorns shit gold would you take the unicorn poop.

It’s nonsensical. It doesn’t reflect the reality of the situation. Anyone can make up b******* hypotheticals to make something sound bad. It’s still b*******.

Why the fuck would anyone give a fuck about the plutonium stuff? Kick starters, investment backing, and crowd funding are all standard ways to generate initial revenue. It’s a f****** company. It needs money to buy hardware in paper server costs. Development isn’t free and if you want people to work full-time on something you have to get this pay them.

He basically asked for $300k to start full-time development and Kickstart the company after he left closed development. He provided a full proof of service documentation in history of his closed development.

The only people who have any issue with the plutonium stuff are those who are either too f****** retarded to understand basic business or a too far up their own asses to think that everything should be free in life.

If you self-host you don’t have to pay f****** wild concept considering how many self-toast services actually charge you money for full service. So that alone is already one up on a lot of stuff.

A basic subscription is far more reliable than donations if you want a company to be able to actually function. A subscription provides a reliable income so you can actually plan your costs and budgets. It’s a far better option than microtransactions that discord seems to want to push.

Cuz again server costs and vitamin costs aren’t free. Remember FOSS stands for free as in freedom to do what you want with the software within the license not free as in it doesn’t cost you f****** anything.

If fluxer had come out of the gate with no proof of concept, no history. No explanation of the credentials of the developer. No business license and no source code on demonstration and just said hey. Trust me bro. I need 300 Grand then. Yeah it would be an issue. But lo and behold the reality is none of that’s true.

Could it all go poof belly up and a month time 2 months a year? Yes of course, small businesses die all the time. 300K is not a lot of money for a small business. Frankly, the fact he only asked for $300k is more of a red flag than he asked for money at all. Cuz he’s going to have to pull a lot f****** more money if you wants to do anything remotely clothes to what his goal is. If he had shot for a 500k 600k somewhere in that vicinity. I would personally be more trusting than him asking for $300k. Much more than 600k and I would start asking questions as that’s a little bit much for a initial investment backing.

Seriously, the more I look around on Lemmy the more, I think that nobody here seems to actually understand that s*** costs money.

Unlikely. They make for poor discord community replacements. There’s just too much complexity at the door.

Most things are looking towards fluxer as the replacement. Since it’s actually a discord replacement unlike xmpp or matrix. Which are alternatives not replacements.

Closest your going to get is fluxer. It unfortunately only just entered open beta. So the self host option while there… Is not simple yet.

Tho it’s on the road map.

It broke 100,000 users and growing. The $300,000 the dev raised with his backer Kickstarter thing really is going to get stretched thin really quick with how fast it’s growing.

He’s already had to roll out more servers a few times to my understandings too. Well, self-hosting is currently a thing. It’s still under active development in that really needs to finish up quick to help offload some of the load.

Honestly, once the mobile app is finished and the self-hosting is more stable, it’s basically going to be like the old days of TeamSpeak 3 s when everyone actually liked it.

But with all the modern conveniences and benefits of discord.

It is the only thing currently going around. That’s actually trying to be a replacement for discord. Keyword replacement not alternative.

Like xmpp is an alternative, not a replacement.

The ever continuing trend of foss enthusiasts having less then no fuckinf clue the FUCK normal people use computers for.

Xmpp is great but you are 100% right. It’s not a discord replacement. It never will be. It is court replacement and it is not trying to be a discord replacement. People need to stop trying to force it to be one. The same thing goes with matrix though to a lesser extent.

Matrix at least is trying to be a team’s replacement, which is a legitimate alternative to what discord does for the average user.

Matrix has a whole host of other problems that will make and never be a viable alternative. But none of them are technical in nature. It’s mostly just the fragmentation will nature of it. And how confusing it is to navigate.

At the moment the only two legitimate replacement options are stoat and fluxer. Stoat is a dead end and unluckly to go anywhere. While fluxer is only like 2 weeks into its open beta just released its code base to the public after a long-ass time of closed development. And barely has enough funding even with their Kickstarter thing. Fluxer has passed 100,000 user Mark already and growing.

It’s also the only thing that’s actually trying to be an app for your average user. It’s actually targeting the same demographic discord was.

Which matters a lot. Matrix xmpp all these other things aren’t targeting the same demographic. They are not trying to be a replacement. I mean, I’m sure they’re happy to scoop up some new users and help expand their reach a little bit who doesn’t want to see their project grow after all.

But all these people trying to push matrix xmpp and what not is like going to a construction site telling a worker. Hey, your pickup truck is old and s***** you should stop using it and go use this nice moped while they look at you. Like you’re a f****** retard as they have to lug around a ton and a half of materials and tools everyday in the moped. Why perfectly good means of conveyance will do the job better than the pickup truck as the purpose of a vehicle cannot fully fulfill the same role that the pickup truck fills.

This was voice dictated if the grammar is f***** up. Sorry my brain don’t work too good sometimes

Look at fluxer it’s stoat developed by someone who isn’t retarded. Has done more in a fraction of the time and actually has functional features

See the problem is the details keep getting higher res, but we also never stopped to ask if 32 tentacles was too much…

Try talking like a normal dude on a phone and you won’t be called ai.

Cause holy fuck you come across as an ai, while I don’t think your one at least not beyond maybe an AI powered spell check or grammar checker. People generally don’t write like they are trying to submit a college level essay on social media.

They type like they talk. You do not type like how any normal person talks short of someone giving a lecture. Which is abnormal.

If it was just your OP and then your replies were normal it would be fine. More effort in the original post is understandable and doubly so for the topic. But your replies are a bit too teacher coded to be trust worthy to most folk around here.

Lemmy is full of ain’t government, anti capitalist, anti corpo paranoid people. You need to learn your audience.

Perfect grammar and lecturing is only going to get you called ai. You don’t need to make your grammar bad. But maybe avoid fancy ass shit, like em dashes… Also the millennial ellipses is weirdly a great example of something AI doesn’t do. Slang grammar in general is a decent way to indicate your not ai.

But that would come naturally if you just type like you talk

The only useful thing I’ve found so good for is quickly scrubbing though shops. They are really good at looking at hundreds of urls and reviewing the content and then vomiting up the results

When looking for a laptop it was invaluable.

Those sub reddits that are basically nothing but people asking for laptop recommendations basically could just be replaced with a LLM.

AI is after all the perfect example of wisdom of the masses. Aka 80% accurate 80% of the time.

Seriously trying to find a 18 inch hdr laptop with a AMD CPU and replaceable ram that did not contain a laundry list of parts that I know have no driver support on Linux… Is a pain in the ass. Cause half the time AMD laptops arnt advertised at fucking all and sit on some random page you have to know just exists.

Even using newegg filters couldn’t find the fucking laptop cause of mislabeling. But the AI found it.

Fucking thing is like a web crawler on crack.

No cats?! High blasphemy! Servers are warm and the perfect bed!

At least you don’t have ear and tail evny it’s so fluffy

Honestly I would be ok with then being the next tech silo. If they just actually did a good job more often.

They perpetually suffer from 6 outta 10 syndrome.

They are good enough to use, better then most alternatives, but just suck enough that I’m always disappointed but not angry.

Iv come to learn over the years. If you want to buy computer parts just do it.

Your actively stupid if you don’t cause some bigger idiot with more money then brains will make a new grift that causes everything to be unaffordable.

Fuck waiting for deals, fuck thinking twice. Just fucking buy it and ignore reality around you cause you will be pissed either way.

Either a deal comes and you fucked yourself, or everything goes to the moon and now you have nothing AND your fucked.

That’s less a problem with cloud flare it self and more just a issue of anything the scope and scale of what they have become. Even a better company would face the same issues.

It’s fair to argue that they we should spread things out more to make them more resilient.

But that’s more a knock against centralization than the service at hand. It’s also fair to show that they’re good enough that they were able to reach this point. Or more accurately. Everyone else was worse so they reached this point.

It always feels like blaming cloudford at this point is much like blaming the horse for its Rider.

Basically none, if you want user friendly macro and layers your basically stuck to windows. That or your doing bullshit jank that barely works, breaks frequently and requires way too much effort for no good results.

Its one of the better examples of Linux being dog shit at being user friendly.

The most common excuse I see is it’s not safe and secure so it’s not supported. Or you need to just use an abandoned app from a random GitHub that’s 9 years old only works on x11 and requires a blood sacrifice.